Warriors in the Steve Kerr era: 254-47 with Steph Curry 22-19 without Steph Curry
Just goes to show how important Curry is to the Warriors, not their best player but their most important. It’s crazy
勇士在科尔执教时期，有库里的情况下254胜47负，没有库里的情况下22胜19负。
这足以说明库里对勇士的重要性，或许不是勇士最好的球员，但是最重要的那个。太疯狂了。
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[–][CLE] LeBron James kingpc 1100 points 17 hours ago
Can someone please do this stat with and without Draymond? curious too see although it’s a small sample
詹姆斯球迷：有人能找找格林的这种数据吗。虽说样本很小，但是我很好奇啊。
[–]Warriors SharksFanAbroad 535 points 16 hours ago
Yup, would love to see this for Klay and KD too.
勇士球迷：对啊，还想看看克莱和杜兰特的。
[–]nowhathappenedwas 466 points 13 hours ago
Last year, the Dubs were 9-5 without KD and 3-6 without Klay (though Curry missed nearly all of the games Klay missed).
In 2016-2017, the Dubs were 16-4 without KD and 1-3 without Klay.
上赛季，勇士在杜兰特缺阵的情况下9胜5负，克莱缺阵的情况下3胜6负（不过所有克莱缺席的比赛，库里几乎也都缺席了）。
2016/17赛季，勇士在杜兰特缺阵的情况下16胜4负，没有克莱的情况下1胜3负。
[–][BOS] Jaylen Brown Soshi101 444 points 13 hours ago
So you’re telling me….Klay > KD?
杰伦-布朗球迷：所以你是在告诉我……克莱>杜兰特？
[–][MIN] Rasho Nesterovic AlongCamePollyIsBae 228 points 13 hours ago
How did the Warriors do in 2014-2015 and 2015-2016 without KD?
The most important thing KD did for the Warriors was take himself off the Thunder. They do not need him at all.
森林狼球迷：14/15赛季和15/16赛季勇士没有杜兰特的情况下战绩咋样呢？
杜兰特为勇士做过最重要的事就是离开雷霆，他们已经不再需要KD了。
[–]Warriors Kal-Kent 67 points 13 hours ago
They would have lost last year to Houston without KD
勇士球迷：要是没有杜兰特的话，我勇上赛季就在季后赛输给火箭了。
[–][MIN] Rasho Nesterovic AlongCamePollyIsBae 98 points 13 hours ago
Yeah, maybe.
But we would have seen an entirely different game plan from the Warriors. It’s not like they’d just try to use Harrison Barnes exactly like they use KD.
Also, if KD doesn’t go to the Warriors, maybe the Rockets never trade for CP3.
森林狼球迷：没错，或许吧。
可是如果没有杜兰特的话，勇士的比赛策略也会完全不同啊。他们又不会把巴恩斯完全当杜兰特用。
而且呢，如果杜兰特没有去勇士，或许火箭也不会交易来保罗呢。
[–]DCJon 20 points 13 hours ago
How many games of the 22-19 w/ Curry out were they also missing at least one of Draymond, Klay or KD?
库里缺阵时勇士的22胜19负里，格林、克莱和杜兰特至少也有一人缺阵的比赛有多少场呢？
[–][GSW] Klay Thompson ILikeAllThings 30 points 10 hours ago*
Huh, this is what I looked up as well, and had to go to the box scores, ugh. Do not recommend. Numbers since 2014-2015 though.
Warriors’ record when only Curry is missing: 13-9
Warriors’ record when Curry +1 other All-star is out: 9-10
Warriors’ record when 4 All-stars are out: 0-3
Something is clear. Warriors aren’t good when missing 4+ All-stars.
汤普森球迷：嗯，这个我也查了的，还去翻了比分统计，不推荐你们去找。自14/15赛季以来的数据如下：
只有库里不打的情况下，勇士13胜9负；
在库里和另一个全明星不打的情况下，勇士9胜10负；
四个全明星都不打的情况下，勇士0胜3负。
所以很明显了，四个全明星都缺阵的情况下，勇士是不行的。
[–]Wizards livefreeordont 57 points 13 hours ago
yeah KD’s talents are a lot more apparent in the playoffs when he can just shoot over double teams and will get at least 30 points no matter what. He’s always a good option to go to in the clutch
奇才球迷：没错，杜兰特的天赋在季后赛中要明显的多，他可以在包夹下投篮，不管怎样都能拿到30+。而且他在关键时刻一直都是个很好的进攻选择。
[–][GSW] Wilt Chamberlain spiiicychips 15 points 13 hours ago
Except last night apparently. Draymond made sure of that lmao
勇士球迷：很明显除了昨晚。格林保证了这一点，哈哈哈。
[–]nowhathappenedwas 94 points 13 hours ago
Last year, the Dubs were 10-2 without Green and 17-14 without Curry (including 2-5 while missing both Curry and Klay).
In 2016-2017, the Dubs were 5-1 without Green and 2-1 without Curry.
上赛季，勇士在没有格林的情况下10胜2负，没有库里时17胜14负（包括库里和克莱同时缺阵时的2胜5负）。
16/17赛季，勇士在没有格林时5胜1负，没有库里时2胜1负。
[–]Spurs mrjowei 21 points 13 hours ago
I wonder if Warriors take this to determine their future core. They can’t resign all of them to Max contracts. Green should take the biggest paycut here IMO.
马刺球迷：我好奇勇士会不会在决定未来的核心阵容时考量这些数据。毕竟他们不可能全部用顶薪续约他们。我觉得格林应该最大幅度的减薪。
[–]Heat MrWhiteside97 37 points 13 hours ago
I think Green will be forced to just because his game won’t age as well as the others’. Klay and Durant will be effective until their mid thirties, but if Green starts to lose a step it’ll show. I can see a team signing him to big money for maybe 3 years, but if he wants a 5 year deal I don’t think he’s worth anything close to the max.
热火球迷：我觉得格林不得不这么做，因为他在年纪加大之后，比赛中的表现并没有其他人那么好。克莱和杜兰特到了三十五六还能很高效，可如果格林开始下滑的话，那会显现出来的。我可以预见有球队或许会与他签下3年期的大合同，但他要是想要五年长约的话，我觉得他配不上。
[–]Bulls wowanotherburner 19 points 12 hours ago
Someone will offer him a max, tons of teams will have cap space. The question is how much of a discount would he be willing to take to keep GSW together.
公牛球迷：会有球队为他提供顶薪的，很多球队的薪资空间还很大。问题是，为了保持勇士现有的人员配置，格林甘愿牺牲多少。
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[–]Knicks smileyfrown 1363 points 17 hours ago
Looked it up, in the Curry-Durant era they are…
18-10 when Durant plays and no Curry
24-3 when Curry plays and no Durant
So maybe you should be greatful that Durant is holding back a Curry lead team
尼克斯球迷：我查了查，在库里和杜兰特携手的时代，勇士战绩如下：
杜兰特出场，库里缺阵时，勇士18胜10负；
库里出场，杜兰特缺阵时，勇士24胜3负。
所以或许咱们应该对阿杜心存感激，因为他牵制了库里领导下的勇士。
[–]eeeeeeethan 475 points 16 hours ago
some of those Durant plays no Curry games they also didn’t have Dray or Klay, most happened last season
有些杜兰特打库里不打的比赛里，格林或者克莱也是没打的，上赛季很多次都是这样。
[–][GSW] Calbert Cheaney swollencornholio 304 points 13 hours ago
I remember it being pretty hilarious…it seemed like they kept removing players to see if KD could still win. They rolled out a KD-Klay-Cook-Javale-Bell line up with no Iguodala or Livingston coming off the bench and beat Memphis.
勇士球迷：我记得这是很搞人的……似乎我勇一直在用让关键球员不打的方式来看看杜兰特独自带队是不是还能赢。2017年12月20日，他们就排出了一套阿杜-克莱-麦基-贝尔-库克的首发阵容，替补人员中也没有伊戈达拉和利文斯顿，但是还是战胜了灰熊。
[–]Bulls Epawd 159 points 13 hours ago
Honestly that team still doesn’t seem that bad to me lmao.
公牛球迷：说实话啊，我觉得这套阵容看着也不错啊，哈哈哈
[–][NYK] Tracy McGrady HoboWithAGlock 175 points 13 hours ago
I’d kill to have a team that good.
尼克斯球迷：要是有这么不错的球队，我会高兴死的。
[–][GSW] Stephen Curry patricksimon1 97 points 16 hours ago
That Curry without Durant record is primarily because of the Toaster ..
库里球迷：在没有杜兰特的情况下，库里带队能打出那种战绩主要还是因为那个面包机……
（17年3月份，一名球迷在克莱-汤普森的签名活动上递给了他一个面包机。此后，勇士在赛季余下的比赛中取得了31胜2负的绝佳战绩，其中在总决赛第四场之前取得了15胜0负的历史第一季后赛战绩。）
[–]Warriors belizeanheat 71 points 15 hours ago
The toaster streak was entirely without Durant.
勇士球迷：那波面包机连胜真的是完全没有杜兰特的。
[–]Warriors RealDannyMM 40 points 13 hours ago
Without KD 2015: 67 wins
Without KD 2016: 73 wins
With KD 2017: 67 wins
With KD 2018: 58 wins
勇士球迷：14/15赛季，没有杜兰特时：67胜；
15/16赛季，没有杜兰特时：73胜；
16/17赛季，有杜兰特时：67胜；
17/18赛季，有杜兰特时，58胜。
[–]Suns sunsbr 30 points 12 hours ago
58 wins because of injuries warriors was the 1 seed before the injuries
太阳球迷：上赛季常规赛58胜是因为伤病太多啊，那些伤病之前勇士还是西部第一的。
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[–]Supersonics InternationalGrape8 758 points 16 hours ago
Curry is more valuable than Durant.
超音速球迷：库里比杜兰特更有价值。
[–]IguessthatsAname 400 points 14 hours ago
And therefore better. I don’t understand why people don’t get this
所以说库里更强啊，我真不明白为什么有些人不理解这一点。
[–][SAS] Manu Ginobili pintvricchio 9 points 13 hours ago
Not in the finals.
吉诺比利球迷：总决赛里可不是这回事啊。
[–]Wizards livefreeordont 18 points 13 hours ago
Horford is more valuable than Kyrie on the Celtics. Is he also the better player?
奇才球迷：霍福德在凯尔特人队内可比欧文要更有价值啊，难道他也是更强的吗？
[–]Pistons farts_on_boobs 22 points 13 hours ago*
More valuable does not equal better, is why “people don’t get this.”
An 85 inch TV is better than a $3 floaty, but it’s certainly not more valuable to the guy who’s drowning.
活塞球迷：更有价值并不是更强，所以“有些人不理解这一点”。
一台85英寸的电视机比一个3美金的救生圈更好吧，但是对于一个快要溺死的人而言，电视机绝对不是更有价值的。
[–][GSW] James Michael McAdooTyre77 324 points 13 hours ago
Because value to a team and individual talent aren’t the same thing.
Look, if Curry is hot then the world should be on notice. His “gravity”, his effect on the game, his threat of both driving to the rim (and not getting calls) and shooting from anywhere within 120 feet of the basket—these are all insane.
But if we need a single bucket, then I believe KD is the better person to have the ball. As a pure scorer, he’s the one I’d go to.
勇士球迷：因为对球队的价值和个人的天赋并不是等同的。
听着，如果库里火力全开的话，那全世界都知道要发生什么了。他的“库有引力”，他对比赛的影响，他冲击篮筐（还得不到犯规）和在任何位置出手所带来的威胁，这些都太疯狂了。
可如果我们需要一次得分，那么我觉得杜兰特是更好的持球人。毕竟单就得分能力而言，我会选他。
[–]Raptors 2Pac_Okur 226 points 13 hours ago
but the goal of basketball is neither to be a pure scorer nor is it to get 1 basket.
猛龙球迷：可是篮球比赛的目标既不是做一个纯得分手，也不是某次得分啊。
[–][GSW] James Michael McAdooTyre77 92 points 13 hours ago
Yes, and that’s why I’d much rather have Curry than Durant on our team.
But when people say “I don’t understand how anyone could differentiate between Curry being more valuable and Durant being a better individual player,” well, there is a difference between the two. We can evaluate individuals separately from their value to/effects on a team.
(Most of the time. Westbrook’s MVP was an instance where I think people conflated the two, assuming triple doubles were by default valuable to the team.)
勇士球迷：没错，所以相比杜兰特，我更愿意库里在我们队里。
可是当大家说“我不理解居然有人会把库里更有价值和杜兰特是更强的个人球员这区分开来”时，行吧，这两者还是有区别的。我们可以分别从他们对球队的价值和影响力来评判他们个人。
（大多数情况都是如此。威斯布鲁克赢得MVP的赛季表现就是个例子，我觉得大家混淆了两种概念，觉得拿下三双就理所当然地是对球队有价值的。）
[–]Raptors takeyababynoharambe 51 points 13 hours ago
Being a better contributor to your team’s success should generally mean you’re the better player, at least imo. If you do a better job of making your team win, you’re better at basketball. It should not just be 1v1 skill
猛龙球迷：成为对球队的成功做出更大贡献者，这就应该意味着你是个更强的球员，我的观点就是这样。如果你为了球队的胜利所做的工作更出色，那你就更强。这不应该单轮1对1的技巧。
[–]Lakers BromaEmpire 45 points 13 hours ago
If you could throw Durant or Curry on the Cavs right now, who do you think would have the bigger impact?
湖人球迷：要是你把库里或杜兰特放到现在的骑士队内，那你觉得谁会更有影响力呢？
[–]Bucks lupe_the_jedi 6 points 7 hours ago
Curry easy
雄鹿球迷：简单，库里
[–]Celtics bustedracquet 25 points 12 hours ago
Curry for sure.
凯尔特人球迷：肯定是库里。
[–]Warriors The_Great_Saiyaman21 13 points 8 hours ago
I think anywhere ball is being played 5 on 5 Curry will be better.
勇士球迷：我觉得只要是打5对5，库里都更好。
[–]rambouhh 32 points 13 hours ago
Part of the reason Curry is so important to the warriors is because of who’s around him. The team is perfect to capitalize his strengths. I believe that curry is more valuable to the warriors but if you put curry on the worst team in the nba or durant on the worst team in the nba durant would make them better.
库里之所以这么重要，部分原因是他身边的队友。勇士这支球队可以完美地展现库里的长处，我相信库里对勇士是更有价值的，可是如果你把库里或杜兰特放到NBA最菜鸡的队里，那杜兰特带队的效果会更好。
[–][GSW] Monta Ellis baby_hooper 14 points 12 hours ago*
Idk in 2013 Curry took a core of 4 rookies and a sophomore klay Thompson to the WCSF and doggone almost beat the spurs by himself. Steph’s gotten A LOT better since then, and would make a really bad team really good
勇士球迷：那我就不知道了。2013年库里可是带着4个新秀和二年秀克莱打进了西部半决赛啊，差点凭一己之力干掉马刺啊。
库里在那之后就强了好多，他是能够让一支菜队变强的。
[–]Bucks kabman7 399 points 19 hours ago
Their best player.why are people afraid to admit he’s better than kd.
雄鹿球迷：库里就是勇士最强的球员啊。怎么大家都害怕承认他比阿杜强呢？
[–]penifSMASH 178 points 16 hours ago
Because Curry is not physically dominating and basketball fans have trouble acknowledging someone like that as a legend
因为库里在身体上并不具备统治力，篮球迷有点难于承认这种类型的球员是个传奇。
[–]Raptors _TheresMyChippy_ 200 points 19 hours ago
Curry is absolutely their best player
猛龙球迷：库里绝对是勇士最强的球员。
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[–]jacklawley 1578 points 18 hours ago
Best point guard in the league.
联盟最佳控卫。
[–]Wizards jyukuilzdf 74 points 11 hours ago
This is so obvious it didn’t even need to be said.
奇才球迷：这太明显了，都不需要说。
[–][BOS] Larry Bird EddieBravosBong 346 points 14 hours ago
Best point guard of all time.
拉里-伯德球迷：史上最佳控卫。
[–]Lakers SpitCumIntoMyAsshole 123 points 14 hours ago
stop
湖人球迷：吹够了啊。
[–]VoHiYo123 18 points 13 hours ago
Looks like someone just started watching basketball 3 years ago.
有些人好像3年前才开始看篮球一样。
[–][BOS] Larry Bird EddieBravosBong 74 points 14 hours ago
Just my opinion. I’d take him over Magic because I prefer what Curry offers. Curry offers a completely unprecedented and unique skill set that I think is unmatched in how utterly devastating it is and how consistently he does the impossible.
Magic is my 2nd and it’s incredibly close, obviously I’d rather have Magic’s passing and a couple of other things but I prefer Curry.
拉里-伯德球迷：仅仅是我个人的观点啊，相比魔术师，我更喜欢库里，因为库里能展现的内容更多。库里的技能包是完全前所未有且独特的，我觉得这些技能的摧毁性和他持续做到那些不可能的稳定性是无可比拟的。
魔术师是我第二喜欢的控卫，俩人非常接近，很显然，我喜欢魔术师的传球和其他的一些能力，但是我更偏好库里。
[–]Spurs Syggie 154 points 14 hours ago
All those things you’re mentioning were applied to Magic when he started playing.
马刺球迷：你说提到的那些技能全都适用于当年的魔术师。
[–][DAL] Tyronn Lue brian27610 16 points 13 hours ago
Best Scoring PG*
Magic is still the GOAT traditional PG
独行侠球迷：库里是最佳分卫吧。
魔术师仍然是史上最伟大的传统控卫。
[–]Wally450 16 points 13 hours ago
No FMVP hurts his case.
库里没有总决赛MVP太伤了。
[–][BOS] Larry Bird EddieBravosBong 80 points 14 hours ago
Magic is my 2nd and it’s very close. I think each of them can impact a game nearly as significantly as each other, they just do it in different ways.
Now if you combined the two and gave Magic Curry’s shooting… oh my.
拉里-伯德球迷：魔术师是我第二喜欢的控卫，我觉得他俩对比赛的影响力是非常接近的，只是方式不同而已。
如果把这俩人结合起来，让魔术师拥有库里的投射……我的天呐。
[–]drakenthegreat 350 points 13 hours ago
Magic scored 42 points, grabbed 15 rebounds, 7 assists and 3 steals playing as a center, replacing an injured Kareem. In an NBA finals clinching game. As a rookie.
魔术师曾顶替受伤的贾巴尔打中锋，得到42分15板7助。那还是在总决赛的关键场面里，而且他当时还是个菜鸟。
[–]Hawks hearthebeard 88 points 13 hours ago
He jumped, but he didn’t play center. That’s just a narrative from Laker fans.
老鹰球迷：他当时只是跳球的时候出任中锋，但比赛里没有打中锋。那只是湖人球迷的一面之词罢了。
[–]Lakers mizatt 92 points 13 hours ago
He started at center but they brought in Chones who actually played center for 43 minutes of the game
湖人球迷：他是首发中锋，但是湖人又把吉姆·乔内斯派上来打了43分钟的中锋。
[–]Celtics arcangeltx 173 points 13 hours ago
that’sit ? not even a triple double smh
凯尔特人球迷：魔术师当时就那么回事吗？甚至都没拿到三双哦，咦
[–]Thunder CRAZYPLATlNUM 54 points 13 hours ago
Westbrook>magic confirmed
雷霆球迷：威少>魔术师没跑了
[–]NBA zxc123zxc123 63 points 13 hours ago
Greatest thing about Magic & Curry is that I can see both of them working out great with each other. They would both get along, would have great synergy despite both being officially PGs, and opposing teams would just be infatuated fan boys at their kindness and charisma.
Can’t say the same if prime MJ & Kobe were your guards.
魔术师和库里最厉害的一点是，我觉得他们合作的话会打的非常好。他们会很合得来，虽说都是正经的空位，但是会很有默契，对手会被他俩的友好和魅力所折服的。
要是巅峰期的乔丹和科比搭档出任后场的话，就不是这么回事了。
[–]Lakers fatfrost 42 points 13 hours ago
MJ and Kobe would kill each other but only after murdering everyone else on the team, the coach and the entire front office. All these dudes have competitive fire but those motherfuckers were insane.
湖人球迷：那乔丹和科比会自相残杀的，不过在此之前，他们先回干掉每个队友、教练，还有整个管理层。这些人都很有竞争欲，但是这两人太特么疯了。
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